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 | cathousemouse
Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1 Pa 
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2004-07-26 91978
Hello everyone,
Hopeing you good people can give me some sound advice. I am looking into getting a new sub compact tractor. Will be used for landscape work around a new house going up next spring, helping in clearing wooded area around house, plowing snow in winter and general week to week mowing. Nothing real hard but it will get used. I have been looking at either a JD 790 with 7' backhoe the 419 loader and 60' mid mt. mower or a JD 4115 with the 46 backhoe, 410 loader and 72' mid mt. mower. Which is the better system for my needs? Any advice would be very helpful.
Russ
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 | Chief
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4297 Southwest MiddleTennessee 
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2004-07-26 91985
Both are very fine machines. If money is not an issue; you will have to be the judge as to whether the bells and whistles as well as hydrostatic drive trans are important. The 790 is a very capable machine but is a very basic gearshift tractor with 27 hp. The 4115 is a much more modern designed hydro drive 24 hp machine. Personally I would get the 4115 but hat is not to say the 790 is at all a bad machine. I prefer hydro drive. Mark has a 4115 and can give you the best appraisal and comparison since he owns and regularly uses his. I own a 4410 which is a bit larger machine. ....
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| hardwood
Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3583 iowa
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2004-07-27 92006
Russ, Cheif gave you some very good advice. As he said both are fine tractors, but you have to decide between a basic workhorse tractor or one with the creature comforts we've all been spoiled with. So far as justifying our investment in the compact tractors and their endless pieces of equipment that can be bought or built to use on the tractors, each of us have our own reasons, I think we can herd them into three basic groups. Group one;. Lots of folks on the board make their living with their compacts, so to them a new piece of equipment must add something to their business bottom line, so cost is very important to them. The second group, we'll call them the middle age working class with familys to raise, houses to build, college tuition to prepare for, etc. If you are in that class probably the basic tractor is your best chioce. Even the basic ones with good care will retain their resale for a good long time. Then you get to my group, the retired or semi retired folks who have did their thing with the house payments, college tuitions, etc., etc.. You still have your choice between the basic and the deluxe models. I'm mildly interested in a new S-10 size basic standard cab pickup, "Wowzer" did I get a wake up call, you can buy a new 4410 Deere for what there asking for that tiny pickup. guess which one will be worth money and which one will be in the junkyard in ten years. I have folks ask me how I can possibly afford two compact tractors. In a true business sense, not on your life could I justify them, but on a more realistic side, those little compacts give me more relaxation than a team of shrinks could ever do. I kind of think of one being my motorboat and the other being my motorhome of which I don't own either one. So it's to each his or her own, If you enjoy motorhomes or motorboats in your retirement years, go buy one and enjoy yourself. If your thing is compact tractors go buy the nice one and enjoy yourself. This is America, the greatest nation earth where we still do have the freedom of choice. Have a great day, and thank our troups for defending our right to have all these freedoms. Frank. ....
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 | DRankin
Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 5116 Northern Nevada
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2004-07-27 92029
The only reason I can think of to buy a 790 over a 4115 would be if your budget is so tight that a few dollars a month would be a big deal.
The 4115 is more tractor for the money, and is much less tiring to operate, especially if you are in the seat several hours at a time.
Maneuvering the back hoe to just the right spot is so much easier with an HST. I haven't hit the house or scraped the bark off a tree since I traded-in the 4100 Gear. ....
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 | Iowafun
Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 955 Central Iowa 
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2004-07-28 92092
dude, I've spent the last two years clearing snow with an old Oliver tractor. It worked fine, but there were times when my leg would be stiff and sore from working the clutch so much. It's not a big deal if you have a straight drive. I don't. I'm up on top of a hill with the shop & house on a line running east-west so the driveway in between them fills with snow and drifts up to 5 feet high. So I end up using the bucket a lot with much back and forth motion of the tractor. As such, the clutch foot and gears get a lot of work.
I broke down and ordered a new JD 4310 ehydro this week. Combination of getting the MFWD and the hydrostat for easier forward and backword work. So think about what driveway you have and how you plan on clearing it of snow. How much clutch work will you have to do? Is the money savings worth it? What's the risk of burning up the clutch by slipping it to get yourself unstuck? ....
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| TomG
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5406 Upper Ottawa Valley
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2004-07-28 92095
From the list of implements I guess the intent is to use the loader for snow plowing. I don't think that works great except in places that don't get heavy snows. There is a bunch of reading on the subject in the archives. ....
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